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I apologize if this has been asked before.  I was going through the BoK studying for the CMRP and came across this.

In the sample calculation section on page 103.
The 'Annual Maintenance Formal Training Costs' = $35,400. (Call this A)
The 'Annual Total Labor Training Costs' = $41,958. (Call this B)
These are then added together to get $77,358  (Call this A+B) as Total Maintenance Labor Training Costs
Number of Employees is 22 (Call this C)

The formula for Total Training Cost per Employee is Total Maintenance Training Costs (Formal and Labor)/ Number of Internal Maintenance Employees

The Calculation then takes A ($35,400) and adds it to A+B ($77,358) and divides it by 22 to get $5,125 per employee

Shouldn't it be A($35,400) added to B ($41,958) divided by 22 to get $3,516 per employee?

Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly.

Don't mean to nerd out on this and an engineer is going to engineer!


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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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Hello William, 

I think your interpretation of (A+B)/22 is correct.  Looks to me like we are counting formal training costs twice. I checked the Best Practice Metric and it provides the same example.

There may be an error in the BoK and the Best Practice Metric 4.2.1. I don't know who currently chairs the Best Practice Committee but I'll forward this onto leadership to try to get us an official interpretation.

Thanks for your diligence and pointing this out. Good luck on the exam!

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Hank Kocevar,CMRP
Consultant
Guardian Technical Services
hkocevar@guardiantech.org
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-15-2021 12:54 PM
From: William DeFelice
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

I apologize if this has been asked before.  I was going through the BoK studying for the CMRP and came across this.

In the sample calculation section on page 103.
The 'Annual Maintenance Formal Training Costs' = $35,400. (Call this A)
The 'Annual Total Labor Training Costs' = $41,958. (Call this B)
These are then added together to get $77,358  (Call this A+B) as Total Maintenance Labor Training Costs
Number of Employees is 22 (Call this C)

The formula for Total Training Cost per Employee is Total Maintenance Training Costs (Formal and Labor)/ Number of Internal Maintenance Employees

The Calculation then takes A ($35,400) and adds it to A+B ($77,358) and divides it by 22 to get $5,125 per employee

Shouldn't it be A($35,400) added to B ($41,958) divided by 22 to get $3,516 per employee?

Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly.

Don't mean to nerd out on this and an engineer is going to engineer!


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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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Thanks Hank,

How many points do I get comped on the CMRP Exam if this is correct?!!!!

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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-16-2021 09:10 AM
From: Henry Kocevar
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

Hello William, 

I think your interpretation of (A+B)/22 is correct.  Looks to me like we are counting formal training costs twice. I checked the Best Practice Metric and it provides the same example.

There may be an error in the BoK and the Best Practice Metric 4.2.1. I don't know who currently chairs the Best Practice Committee but I'll forward this onto leadership to try to get us an official interpretation.

Thanks for your diligence and pointing this out. Good luck on the exam!

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Hank Kocevar,CMRP
Consultant
Guardian Technical Services
hkocevar@guardiantech.org

Original Message:
Sent: 04-15-2021 12:54 PM
From: William DeFelice
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

I apologize if this has been asked before.  I was going through the BoK studying for the CMRP and came across this.

In the sample calculation section on page 103.
The 'Annual Maintenance Formal Training Costs' = $35,400. (Call this A)
The 'Annual Total Labor Training Costs' = $41,958. (Call this B)
These are then added together to get $77,358  (Call this A+B) as Total Maintenance Labor Training Costs
Number of Employees is 22 (Call this C)

The formula for Total Training Cost per Employee is Total Maintenance Training Costs (Formal and Labor)/ Number of Internal Maintenance Employees

The Calculation then takes A ($35,400) and adds it to A+B ($77,358) and divides it by 22 to get $5,125 per employee

Shouldn't it be A($35,400) added to B ($41,958) divided by 22 to get $3,516 per employee?

Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly.

Don't mean to nerd out on this and an engineer is going to engineer!


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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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Sorry William, I can't help you there, I'm just a member like you.

I'll buy you a beverage if I see you the Annual Conference. ;-)

Hank

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Hank Kocevar,CMRP
Consultant
Guardian Technical Services
hkocevar@guardiantech.org
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-16-2021 11:27 AM
From: William DeFelice
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

Thanks Hank,

How many points do I get comped on the CMRP Exam if this is correct?!!!!

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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA

Original Message:
Sent: 04-16-2021 09:10 AM
From: Henry Kocevar
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

Hello William, 

I think your interpretation of (A+B)/22 is correct.  Looks to me like we are counting formal training costs twice. I checked the Best Practice Metric and it provides the same example.

There may be an error in the BoK and the Best Practice Metric 4.2.1. I don't know who currently chairs the Best Practice Committee but I'll forward this onto leadership to try to get us an official interpretation.

Thanks for your diligence and pointing this out. Good luck on the exam!

------------------------------
Hank Kocevar,CMRP
Consultant
Guardian Technical Services
hkocevar@guardiantech.org

Original Message:
Sent: 04-15-2021 12:54 PM
From: William DeFelice
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

I apologize if this has been asked before.  I was going through the BoK studying for the CMRP and came across this.

In the sample calculation section on page 103.
The 'Annual Maintenance Formal Training Costs' = $35,400. (Call this A)
The 'Annual Total Labor Training Costs' = $41,958. (Call this B)
These are then added together to get $77,358  (Call this A+B) as Total Maintenance Labor Training Costs
Number of Employees is 22 (Call this C)

The formula for Total Training Cost per Employee is Total Maintenance Training Costs (Formal and Labor)/ Number of Internal Maintenance Employees

The Calculation then takes A ($35,400) and adds it to A+B ($77,358) and divides it by 22 to get $5,125 per employee

Shouldn't it be A($35,400) added to B ($41,958) divided by 22 to get $3,516 per employee?

Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly.

Don't mean to nerd out on this and an engineer is going to engineer!


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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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As Henry stated, the calculation that you did is the correct way.  The BOK is miscalculated.  Great catch by the way.  Formal Training Costs plus Total Labor Costs and then dividing by your workforce is truly what executives will be looking for .  If you submit the other calculation it may raise some flags.

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Associate Director, Maintenance Strategy & Planning
University of Delaware
Facilities - Buildings Maintenance & Operations
200 Academy Street - Newark, DE 19716
Maintenance Center - Room 113
Office: 302.831.4055 Cell: 302.358.9381
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-15-2021 12:54 PM
From: William DeFelice
Subject: BoK Metric 4.2.1 Maintenance Training Cost Calculation

I apologize if this has been asked before.  I was going through the BoK studying for the CMRP and came across this.

In the sample calculation section on page 103.
The 'Annual Maintenance Formal Training Costs' = $35,400. (Call this A)
The 'Annual Total Labor Training Costs' = $41,958. (Call this B)
These are then added together to get $77,358  (Call this A+B) as Total Maintenance Labor Training Costs
Number of Employees is 22 (Call this C)

The formula for Total Training Cost per Employee is Total Maintenance Training Costs (Formal and Labor)/ Number of Internal Maintenance Employees

The Calculation then takes A ($35,400) and adds it to A+B ($77,358) and divides it by 22 to get $5,125 per employee

Shouldn't it be A($35,400) added to B ($41,958) divided by 22 to get $3,516 per employee?

Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly.

Don't mean to nerd out on this and an engineer is going to engineer!


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William DeFelice
WellSpan Health
York PA
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