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  • 1.  Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-23-2023 11:41 PM

    Dear Sirs,

    Greetings for the day! We are providing maintenance services to our client plant, which is a primary aluminium smelter. The client has installed SAP PM module for logging the maintenance work that is being done on the site. For gaining understanding of the quantum of work that is being done, it is needed to calculate the man hours that are expended in each job. Does SAP have capability for doing the same? As of now, we are creating work orders on SAP and the intervention duration is getting calculated on SAP. For calculation of manhours, we are doing it offline in a spreadsheet. I would like to explore any capability that SAP has so that it can come from SAP directly without having to spend time on calculations offline. Any pointers to this end would be great. Thanks in advance!

    Regards,

    Srihari



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    Srihari R,
    Manager-Asset Management
    Thyssenkrupp Industries India Ltd
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  • 2.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-25-2023 12:38 PM
    Hello Srihari
     
    Here is a quick high-level set of things you can consider.
    a. Management system
    i. Do you have good cost reporting from the financial system i.e. cost centre, by G/L account.  Also ensure that you capture costs into the work order so you can do cost reporting by functional location, equipment or component 
    ii. Do you have benchmark costs against which you can compare your actual performance to best in class.  Benchmarking is complex and there are many variables to consider to ensure that the benchmarks are representative of your situation.  This is something your corporate office needs to do.
    iii. Do you have standardised routines for the weekly and monthly reporting, review and control of maintenance costs.
    iv. Do you have analysis of where your big areas of spend are (by equipment and component type e.g. bearings).  Run a kaizen activity to understand and reduce spend in the high areas.
     
    b. Consumption Initiatives – while consumption initiatives are typically lead by maintenance/engineering, procurement is a key parter
    i. Improve reliability in a structured lean approach.  If you do this, then you will have higher reliability at a lower cost.  This point is a full topic on its own.
    ii. Implement RCM and transition as many maintenance tasks as financially and technically possible to condition monitoring or predictive maintenance.
    iii. OEM to OPM – do you buy spare parts that are manufactured by original part manufacturers (OPM) through the OEM.  In general OPM parts purchased from OEM's are usually more expensive.  You should have an active program identifying OPM parts on OEM machines and investigate whether it is cheaper to transition to OPM.
    iv. OEM and OPM to alternative suppliers – identify alternative suppliers of parts and go through a competitive tendering to see if you can get better pricing from the OPM or alternative supplier.  There are often concerns that alternative suppliers are not necessarily good quality and while this may be true in some cases it is not universally true e.g. SKF vs NSK bearings.  Between OEM to OPM and OEM & OPM to alternative suppliers you will find significant savings provided you do a good technical due diligence.
    v. Do you have a program to extend the life of machine components.  For example changing to a calcium based grease may increase unit costs by 20 % but result in 6 times less consumption; delivering an overall cost saving.  This action can be tied to the point in the management system about kaizens
    vi. Look at insourcing repairs and overhauls where it makes sense.  It is convenient to send items to third parties to repair but as you become more mature in your maintenance (i.e. you are not in a breakdown cycle) your technicians can develop advanced maintenance skills that will allow then to repair and overhaul equipment inhouse
    vii. Utilise technology to reduce the costs of certain maintenance tasks e.g. drones for roof integrity inspections etc
     
     
    c. Price Initiatives – while price initiatives are predominantly lead by the procurement function, maintenance is a key partner
    i. Vendor tail reduction and consolidation – understand what vendors you use for different types of spare parts and aim to consolidate this spend into fewer vendors.  This volume consolidation will allow the vendors to give you better pricing
    ii. Share with procurement you big areas of spend (parts and services) and ask them to go on tender for these parts and services to get better pricing
    iii. Understand customs and freight costs and look for ways of reducing this.  Customs and freight costs are not readily apparent and there are opportunities for improvement by just managing it better
    iv. Look for price mis-matches especially between the ex-works price from the OEM and the price the local agent charge.  Local agents can charge a reasonable markup but sometimes this can be very high and needs to be managed
     
    I hope this gives you some ideas on how to approach this.
     
    Regards
     
    Sangeev


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    Sangeev Parbhu
    London ON
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  • 3.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-25-2023 12:41 PM

    Sorry Srihari, this was meant to go in the cost question you asked not in this question



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    Sangeev Parbhu
    London ON
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  • 4.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-27-2023 12:05 AM

    Dear Sanjeev,

    The inputs were useful!

    Regards.

    Srihari



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    Srihari R,
    Manager-Asset Management
    Thyssenkrupp Industries India Ltd
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  • 5.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-26-2023 09:23 PM

    Srihari,

    If I understand what you are asking, then I believe the answer is yes. SAP PM can be configured to automatically calculate the planned man-hours or duration for a job, which is helpful when scheduling corrective work and PMs. The planned man-hours, duration, and number of technicians is maintained in the Operations component of the work order. Actual man-hours must still be entered by the technicians who are assigned to the job. Obviously for reactive work all of the man-hours are entered by the technician(s) and there is no entry for planned resources. I hope that helps.

    Reports can be run to compare planned man-hours to actual, to see which assets are consuming most of the man-hours, and other insights - as long as the fields are configured and being populated with good data.



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    Haydn Scott
    Maintenance & Reliability Engineer
    CertainTeed
    Newnan GA
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  • 6.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-27-2023 12:04 AM

    Dear Haydn,

    We are having standard maintenance routines. I will explore the use of the operations tab for logging the planned man hours. I understand that would involve creation of work center on the basis of crafts that are expended on the job. I need to ask the client for a few changes to be made in this regard. Thanks for the input! 

    Regards,

    Srihari



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    Srihari R,
    Manager-Asset Management
    Thyssenkrupp Industries India Ltd
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  • 7.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-28-2023 07:38 AM

    Hi Srihari,

    Not sure what version of SAPPM you're using, in clarification to Haydn's point. When completing work orders there are a few ways to do it. If you merely do use the checkered flag to complete work orders, you don't get an opportunity to put in actual labor and duration.

    You need to go into the completion confirmation screen. The T-Code to go directly is IW42. the screenshot below is a short cut. The data that gets entered into the confirmations can be tabulated through IW47 which records all of the confirmations. From there you can add up all the labor / downtime on a particular work order / work order type / equipment number etc...

    Accessing confirmation from IW38/Work order list

    Overall confirmation screen:

    Regards,

    Cerel



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    cerel munoz
    Equipment Reliability Manager
    Bedford MA
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  • 8.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-28-2023 11:45 PM

    Dear Cerel,

    That was really nice of you to send in screen shots for confirmation. Yes, we are using the collective confirmation option- It makes the work faster. I am asking people to enter their observations in the confirmation text. The electrical man hours have been added to the confirmations in the order- which is good. This can be taken as the confirmation data for further processing or reporting as needed.

    There was another instance I had seen where the components for the order was issued on the work order. The manpower planning was done using a sub order to the superior order. They had created a separate set of work centers for the crafts- electrical and mechanical- for example. They then entered the planned and the actual data in the confirmation tab. But, there was a field called the unloading point in the operations tab. Some people were also entering the data(field observations) in the unloading point and going  for the collective confirmation. Is this the correct method, or should all the observations be entered as confirmation text only? The personnel were entering the data in the unloading point as it was saving them time from entering into a new window.

    Regards,

    Srihari



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    Srihari R,
    Manager-Asset Management
    Thyssenkrupp Industries India Ltd
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  • 9.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-29-2023 06:44 AM

    Hi Srihari,

    Good to see you're getting information into the confirmations that we found is the biggest hurdle.

    I am not familiar with sub orders/haven't found a need for them mostly because 99% of our work is done in house by the same team and financing/wages are not dependent on the information put into SAP. So as long as we know "maintenance work center" did the work that's enough data for us. If we are curious about who / which group is doing what work then we'd narrow it down by their individual IDs using a pivot table.

    Unloading point is just a free text field. Its available in the components tab as well. Imagine part of the work order was to deliver something, I expect identifying the unloading point would help in that instance. 

    I recommend using the operation short text (and long text if needed) to take any notes during a work order. Rationale: IW49 can be used to display operations (from planned or unplanned work orders) and is a helpful chronological history of what is going on at the equipment/functional location/personnel level. If the data is put into the confirmation text then you need to hunt and find the correct confirmation to find the notes you need. We only use confirmation texts as clarification. I.e. we don't have a work center for outside contractors doing work at our facility because its not common. We will put in labor in the time confirmation but NOT a personnel number. Then state in the confirmation text that this was contractor conducted. That way it still shows up as work that was done, but doesn't get tallied to any individual's worked hours.

    Regards,

    Cerel 



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    cerel munoz
    Equipment Reliability Manager
    Bedford MA
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  • 10.  RE: Man hour calculation on SAP PM module

    Posted 11-30-2023 05:31 AM

    Hi Cerel,

    Fair point on using the operations short text and the use of iw49 report. Chasing the confirmation text is not exactly easy as it is coming from a separate report.

    Regards,

    Srihari



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    Srihari R,
    Manager-Asset Management
    Thyssenkrupp Industries India Ltd
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